Yancy’s decision to relist vowe.net was right. Period.
That others don’t want to be on the same personal website (aka bloggers) list than somebody else is from my point of view kinda … don’t find the right word … childish? No … but goes in that direction. It’s just a list of blo… personal websites for heavens sake.
IBM did not interfere and that is the best that they could have done. Does PlanetLotus loose a lot? Nathan and Peter together have less posts than me this year (really? can’t believe it). Vowe.net is one of the most read „personal websites“ on PlanetLotus. Still sad, but we get over it. Others have left before.
I don’t know, if Peter and Nathan have realized it, but they can not go to „Connect-o-Sphere“ next year. Since they don’t want to be on a list with Volker, being in the same town or same conference center is out of the question. I don’t think Volker will stay at home. Too cold in Darmstadt. The old bones need a bit of sunshine.
I want to thank everybody who stuck their head out, to help Yancy and came forward with a lot of good arguments. Some of you may even have got in trouble with friends. You never came forward with names of people who sent those emails, Yancy was probably flooded with (can’t be just two or three) and that is just great. We can now all forget about it (no „time for healing“ or other sentimental stuff now, just forget about it).
That’s it for that.
Still here?
Have to swipe the floors now.
No, you can’t get another coffee. The espresso machine just broke down.
Know what? I can’t list my blog on Collaboration Today. I don’t know what category would fit.
You assume I will be at Connect-o-sphere. That hasn’t been decided yet.
Not again. You know what a hard time I have trying to be funny? Even my kids often look at me and you can read all over their faces: My god, our dad is „funny“ again. You know what that does to me? I will now sit in a corner for a while and sob a little bit.
That reaction from the kids happens to us all Christian, when we reach a certain age 😉
Sure, that attack has been ridiculous from a rational standpoint, but hey I don’t consider my planetlotus reading rational.
From my personal view as a planetlotus.com user as an ex-Domino Developer I find it kind of sad, that the egomanic attention grabber vowe.net with his cat-foto, gadget lover, more than lousy „financial“ analisis, pseudo-critical gibberish and close zero technical content „blog“ seems to be more important than guys who actually work with the technology.
I find it rather sad, what language is used sometimes. I didn‘t delete your post, because I think everybody is entitled to a opinion.
I think, you don‘t get the point.
If Yancy starts reacting to „Lynchmobs“ it will never stop and hurt PlanetLotus much more.
Never give in to blackmailing („either him or me“).
Bullying is not an option either.
If you like Nathans political analyses more, that‘s up to you. But they would be as misplaced, as Volkers. But they are on their personal websites and it is up to them, what they write. PL is just a list of blogs and personal websites and Yancy forces nobody to be listed nor to read every post there is and we as users of his service do not have the right, to force him to do anything he doesn‘t like. It‘s his website. Period. I would even go so far to say, he doesn‘t have to delist anybody.
Just don‘t read vowe.net. Use myPL. http://planetlotus.org/my/login/
Well, isn’t that language thingie kind of like discrimating against folks with a doubtfull command in the English Language. For me its only third language, so zorry if you feel intimidated. But it any case thanks a lot for your lordliness to actually not delete my opinion.
Also from the outside, I see that parts of Lotus Blogging entered comedy territory for a long time. For my taste of humour, especially vowe and ed brill contributed their fair share for this to happen.
Please tell me which self-respecting tech community would accept a guy posting 40% cat fotos, 40% gadget stuff, 10% Lotus unrelated shallow pseudo-technological stuff, 5% pitiable analysis of financial figures of Lotus branch and 5% anti-Lotus stuff in their aggregator?
So this lack of capacity to take vowe serious in any way, surely might have a negative effect on the respectfullness of the language I use.
„You don’t get the point“, is really an awesome style of argumenting.
I’ve made more than clear, that I think that the community should bear with Herrn Weber, whom I personally consider a man with enormous attention problems. Some people might see it differently. Its up to them to do so.
““You don’t get the point”, is really an awesome style of argumenting.”
And your style is somehow better?
yes, I consider my style of argumenting way more civilized.
Nice. Stay classy axel.
The discrimination argument does not work with me, sorry. It‘s my third language, too. And even if you don‘t know the language very good, you can refrain from using words like „egomaniac attention grabber“. It‘s my blog and I don‘t want it here. You don‘t have to share my opinion, but I just don‘t like it, if people are insulted behind their backs. Tell it Vowe directly, please.
Ok, let me rephrase my sentence „you don‘t get the point“ (did not think it was that bad, will take notice). „From where I sit“ or „the point I am (desperately) trying to make is“, better?
PlanetLotus isn‘t the Lotus Community. It isn‘t a closed community forum either. It‘s a blog aggregation site with a vague set of rules for who might be interested to join with their blog. You don‘t even have to join by yourself. vowe.net wasn‘t listed by Volker. Somebody else did it. Might even be Yancy himself. He can do that. I would have done that, had I started a site like Planet Lotus. Since it isn‘t a forum or discussion site, I and every other blogger can do whatever she or he likes with her/his blog. There is no constraint whatsoever. If I write about aviation or other things that happen in my life, it will show on PlanetLotus. That‘s all there is. Maybe someone is interested in it, most of them are not. The turtle writes a lot about rabbits. Who cares? More and more write about Exchange and Sharepoint. Not my problem. Probably that‘s even better, because we get a much better understanding about the products that get so much more attention. In a closed forum, we would all just bitch about it.
What I didn‘t like on that situation, is the fact, that a group of people tried to put pressure on Lancy to get vowe.net delisted behind everybody else‘s back. If you play the game open and give everybody concerned a voice, I have no problem. And still, it can only be a polite request to Yancy. There is no way we can force him to do it and there shouldn‘t be.
I will not argue about the value of Volkers post on PlanetLotus, that‘s up to everybody‘s taste.
I personally expect from a Lotus aggregator, that it does deliver mostly content about the platform.
1. Herr Weber has a blog with
– 40% content of cat pictures from the internet
– 40% gadget stuff
– 10% Lotus unrelated shallow pseudo-technological stuff
– 5% pitiable analysis of financial figures of Lotus branch and
– 5% very shallow and quite mean anti-Lotus stuff
2. People who actually WORK with platform would feel annoyed by me leaking an information that was under non-disclosure for anybody who got the information from IBM in the design calls.
I would walk away. Its a morale question. I do have some maybe interesting ideas about some stuff in xpages, using eclipse as an application platform, etc. I wouldn’t publish them, cause I simply don’t like adding more stress on people who have invested more of their precious lifetime in getting something good out of the product.
I am getting the impression that Herr Weber in his self-invented role as Pachamama of „the“ Notes Community does not ask himself those questions. Especially as a profesional journalist, he should, me thinks.
I agree that Peter Presnell and Nathan T. Freeman might have chosen another form to articulate their discotent, which by no means implies that they defended a justified cause.
After driving back from JAX London through serious traffic jams around London, crossing the Channel with P&O, driving through France, Belgium, the Netherlands and a tiny part of Germany this required some editing. You might delete the posting above.
I personally expect from a Lotus aggregator, that it does deliver mostly content about the platform. If not, it looses value for me. This might be seen as an egoistical standpoint, but it is mine.
1. Herr Weber has a blog with
– 40% content of cat pictures from the internet
– 40% gadget stuff
– 10% Lotus unrelated shallow pseudo-technological stuff
– 5% pitiable analysis of financial figures of Lotus branch and
– 5% very shallow and quite mean anti-Lotus stuff
2. People who actually WORK with platform felt annoyed by Herrn Weber leaking an information that was under non-disclosure for anybody who got the information from IBM in the design calls.
I would walk away.
Its a moral question.
I do have some maybe interesting ideas about some stuff in xpages, using eclipse as an application platform, etc. I wouldn’t publish them, cause I simply don’t like adding more stress on people who have invested more of their precious lifetime in getting something good out of the product.
I am getting the impression that Herr Weber in his self-invented role as Pachamama of “the” Notes Community, does not ask himself such basic questions of a journalists ethics.
I agree that Peter Presnell and Nathan T. Freeman might have chosen another form to articulate their discotent, which by no means implies that they defended a justified cause.